Judging, Pairing, and the Definition of Craft with Clay Gordon

In this episode David Nilsen talks with Clay Gordon, one of the most respected names in the world of craft chocolate, to discuss the meaning of craft, how the term’s usage and meaning differ in the beer and chocolate worlds, how tasting and judging have influenced beer and chocolate differently, and, toward the end, how they each approach chocolate pairings with beer and other beverages.